HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Should The Blue Jackets Seriously Consider Trading 3rd Overall?

Let me get in on this, since I missed the deadline:


Yes, they totally should consider trading the draft pick.

One principle of smart business is that you identify things that people overvalue and exploit them. Applied to the NHL this means draft picks. People are coo-coo over the idea that their pick could turn out to be the next _________ and as such, they overrate their importance.

The #3 pick isn't the #1 pick. It's highly unlikely the player is NHL ready, and if he is, it's also unlikely he's going to be an impact player for two-three years. Maybe even four.

Since that is the case, there is also value in getting assets you can use now.

Also, teams like to make a big splash on draft day and get their fans pumped my moving up.

The way the NHL works, I would at least consider trading every draft pick I had.

Let me get in on this, since I missed the deadline:


Yes, they totally should consider trading the draft pick.

One principle of smart business is that you identify things that people overvalue and exploit them. Applied to the NHL this means draft picks. People are coo-coo over the idea that their pick could turn out to be the next _________ and as such, they overrate their importance.

The #3 pick isn't the #1 pick. It's highly unlikely the player is NHL ready, and if he is, it's also unlikely he's going to be an impact player for two-three years. Maybe even four.

Since that is the case, there is also value in getting assets you can use now.

Also, teams like to make a big splash on draft day and get their fans pumped my moving up.

The way the NHL works, I would at least consider trading every draft pick I had.
- James_Tanner

- tomburton99

You don't get to have any credibility in your opinions if you act like you're five.

HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Should The Blue Jackets Seriously Consider Trading 3rd Overall?
- ToddCordellVAN

Tessier nailed it. The only way the Jackets should trade it is if someone is willing to take Clarkson with it. And even then they would probably only be willing to make back a few spots.

hey.......what happened to my first

hey.......what happened to my first
- DDM-Coga

It was hot taken.

It was hot taken.
- Mr.Bobby

Hey Hot Stove

Let me get in on this, since I missed the deadline:


Yes, they totally should consider trading the draft pick.

One principle of smart business is that you identify things that people overvalue and exploit them. Applied to the NHL this means draft picks. People are coo-coo over the idea that their pick could turn out to be the next _________ and as such, they overrate their importance.

The #3 pick isn't the #1 pick. It's highly unlikely the player is NHL ready, and if he is, it's also unlikely he's going to be an impact player for two-three years. Maybe even four.

Since that is the case, there is also value in getting assets you can use now.

Also, teams like to make a big splash on draft day and get their fans pumped my moving up.

The way the NHL works, I would at least consider trading every draft pick I had.
- James_Tanner

thank god you missed the deadline

Hey Hot Stove

- DDM-Coga

If they can get a solid young top 6 center and give back Clarkson or Hartnell's contract to open up space then they can consider it. Maybe Henrique, 11th overall for 3rd overall & Clarkson.

Clarkson saw success in NJ (yeah forget that it is just a cap dump for a huge asset), but NJ gets a future elite player at the ELC cost for a decent pick, solid forward, and cap dump.

If they can get a solid young top 6 center and give back Clarkson or Hartnell's contract to open up space then they can consider it. Maybe Henrique, 11th overall for 3rd overall & Clarkson.

Clarkson saw success in NJ (yeah forget that it is just a cap dump for a huge asset), but NJ gets a future elite player at the ELC cost for a decent pick, solid forward, and cap dump.
- Steven_Dean

Henrique is a 30 goal scorer with a 4 mil cap hit for the next 3 years. That would be a very tough pill for NJ to swallow.

I would like to know what Edmonton got offered for the pick that turned out to be Yakupov. I bet they wish they would have made that trade now.

Henrique is a 30 goal scorer with a 4 mil cap hit for the next 3 years. That would be a very tough pill for NJ to swallow.
- Mr.Bobby

Yep, only thing is a top 5 pick in this draft is not being moved for pieces that do not provide some sort of guarantee. Puljujarvi is likely an elite player and no team, especially a team near their cap will take 2-3 maybe pieces (lesser picks and prospect) and 3rd line players for him.

I don't see this happening for NJ but this is 100% the cost give or take a 2nd round pick.

Let me get in on this, since I missed the deadline:


Yes, they totally should consider trading the draft pick.

One principle of smart business is that you identify things that people overvalue and exploit them. Applied to the NHL this means draft picks. People are coo-coo over the idea that their pick could turn out to be the next _________ and as such, they overrate their importance.

The #3 pick isn't the #1 pick. It's highly unlikely the player is NHL ready, and if he is, it's also unlikely he's going to be an impact player for two-three years. Maybe even four.

Since that is the case, there is also value in getting assets you can use now.

Also, teams like to make a big splash on draft day and get their fans pumped my moving up.

The way the NHL works, I would at least consider trading every draft pick I had.
- James_Tanner

"I totally agree."

- Jim Benning

zcordell you understand the Jackets cannot get three years of an ELC to a top pick under one million right? Because the bonuses will count against the cap at least the first year. Thus his first year would be closer to a four million dollar cap hit. In all likelihood the Jackets would then recapture the excess cap hit the following season.

zcordell you understand the Jackets cannot get three years of an ELC to a top pick under one million right? Because the bonuses will count against the cap at least the first year. Thus his first year would be closer to a four million dollar cap hit. In all likelihood the Jackets would then recapture the excess cap hit the following season.
- BluemanGuruu

that all depends on the players performance bonuses, if he doesnt hit them, he doesnt hurt the Jackets ca. Its big money only when it comes to winning the conn smyth or art ross, being an all-star, etc on the ELC. and if he is doing that, I don't think they mind playing the extra cash if he is excelling at that age.

And teams don't have to give them any performance bonuses, look at what the Devils did with Larrson and his ELC, it was just straight base salary, no bonuses what so ever

Just so you know, the cap hit wouldn't necessarily be less than $1M, since the cap hit factors in any type of potential bonuses, etc.

Just so you know, the cap hit wouldn't necessarily be less than $1M, since the cap hit factors in any type of potential bonuses, etc.
- isles10289

You can exceed the cap by up to 7.5% for performance bonuses.

You can exceed the cap by up to 7.5% for performance bonuses.
- Tumbleweed

Honestly think people are overthinking this and harping on a very general statement for no reason. Bonuses are earned not given. Just bc they have the bonuses, it means diddly right now.

the majority of bonuses for top pick ELCs are

Minor Bonus (212,500 each)
Time on Ice - Aggregate (total): must be in Top 6 among forwards on the team, minimum of 42 games played.
> Time on Ice - Per Game: must be in Top 6 among forwards on the team, minimum of 42 games played.
> Goals: minimum of 20
> Assists: minimum of 35
> Points: minimum of 60
> Points per game: minimum of 0.73, minimum of 42 games played.
> Plus/minus: must be in Top 3 among forwards, minimum of 42 games played.
> Member of post-season all-rookie team.
> All-Star Game participant.
> Awarded All-Star Game MVP

Major Bonuses
Top 5 finishes or winning any of Hart, Byng, Selke, Calder etc.

Again if a Top pick is 20g 60pt guy right out of the gate or wins a major award he is one of the best in the league that year, any team will gladly find the few extra 100ks in cap space to reward that top play

Honestly think people are overthinking this and harping on a very general statement for no reason. Bonuses are earned not given. Just bc they have the bonuses, it means diddly right now.

the majority of bonuses for top pick ELCs are

Minor Bonus (212,500 each)
Time on Ice - Aggregate (total): must be in Top 6 among forwards on the team, minimum of 42 games played.
> Time on Ice - Per Game: must be in Top 6 among forwards on the team, minimum of 42 games played.
> Goals: minimum of 20
> Assists: minimum of 35
> Points: minimum of 60
> Points per game: minimum of 0.73, minimum of 42 games played.
> Plus/minus: must be in Top 3 among forwards, minimum of 42 games played.
> Member of post-season all-rookie team.
> All-Star Game participant.
> Awarded All-Star Game MVP

Major Bonuses
Top 5 finishes or winning any of Hart, Byng, Selke, Calder etc.

Again if a Top pick is 20g 60pt guy right out of the gate or wins a major award he is one of the best in the league that year, any team will gladly find the few extra 100ks in cap space to reward that top play
- DDM-Coga

Agreed.

And with the 7.5% bonus cushion, its a minor 2018-19 problem.

Columbus has a lot of poop contracts, but they are not losing jones or the 3rd over it.

Agreed.

And with the 7.5% bonus cushion, its a minor 2018-19 problem.

Columbus has a lot of poop contracts, but they are not losing jones or the 3rd over it.
- Tumbleweed

exactly, for the next 2 season, they are dealing with a 925k cap hit with that 3rd overall pick, it isn't going to cost them a stud Dman. People are going crazy already and its not even the draft yet

exactly, for the next 2 season, they are dealing with a 925k cap hit with that 3rd overall pick, it isn't going to cost them a stud Dman. People are going crazy already and its not even the draft yet
- DDM-Coga

Barrie and a 2nd for bozak

take the finn this year and draft a center next year when their in the lottery again

Tessier nailed it. The only way the Jackets should trade it is if someone is willing to take Clarkson with it. And even then they would probably only be willing to make back a few spots.
- Mr.Bobby

Ain't nobody stupid enough to trade for Clarkson